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You're right, Pratchett is becoming increasingly ideologically dated, but most of the humor still stands up, at least for the first 17 or so (of ~34 IIRC) Discworld books. After that, I think a combination of aging (including incipient Alzheimers) and increasingly doctrinaire conventional woke attitudes in the world after the turn of the millennium combined to make the books more and more stale.

Pratchett subverts many woke dogmas and shibboleths, too, though. Reg is a literal zombie leftist. The Hogfather bringing everyone sausages is a jab at vegetarians. I don't think the imps painting fast in the cameras ever get freed. Veternari has a scorpion pit and torturers, I believe. He also keeps the da Vinci-like character who keeps innocently inventing superweapons incommunicado for everyone's safety. Trolls really are almost always stupid, and their class is immutable depending on what stone they're made of. Cheery Littlebottom of the Watch rebels agaist dwarf unisex norms to dress as her biological sex. There's at least one problematic Earth stereotype in nearly all the books that is more played up than subverted, e.g. Jewish Hollywood executives in *Moving Pictures*, or all the other nations on Discworld that have obvious Earth-equivalents. Most of all, Ankh Morpork is an eternal cesspool filled with criminals and entertainingly awful people who are in no way role models until after the series jumps the shark. (Vimes being an exception, but he starts off flawed, too. Carrot is more complicated, though wholly good and heroic, he's not a fool, and as rightful king he has to keep his head down to keep it on his neck. He's a foil for contrast, but Pratchett doesn't do anything too bad to him, the way a real evil leftist author would have.)

Besides the characters being entertainingly awful, not role models, another point is that there's no way to make unflawed, intelligent, all-good protagonists who are on the side of right and do no wrong and are funny. At least I can't think of anyone who's pulled it off. Douglas Adams' Krikkiters, maybe, but they did try to kill off the rest of the universe. Which is the thing the right hasn't yet fully come to terms with: when you really are the best, and everybody else is trying to erase your people, you have to let go of the schoolmarmish / churchian false morality and actually mass-genocide your enemies without any hand-wringing. Impotent spite isn't going to cut it (or them), nor can we empathize or treat them as "us", like the men of Krikkit going outside their home nebula and seeing the galaxy for the first time, and calmly saying: "it'll have to go", then proceeding without any angst, that's the sort of attitude needed. If we can laugh after doing it, so much the better, maybe. But I think we have to get serious first before we can find total war humorous.

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Much as I disagreed with the premise of small gods, it's still a great book about the space that often grows between a religion and its institutions.

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